How media is conditioning readers.

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How media is conditioning readers.

Post by Mr Oz » 21st Mar, '11, 15:50

Ok here is a story from the LA Times.
The German news organization Der Spiegel published photographs Sunday showing two U.S. soldiers posing with an Afghan corpse.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 0625.story

So what some GI's take some pictures of some corpses. Big deal, so what, happens all the time. Right?

Now how the story was reported in the Guardian in the UK.
Commanders in Afghanistan are bracing themselves for possible riots and public fury triggered by the publication of "trophy" photographs of US soldiers posing with the dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/ ... pe=article

OMFG! WTF! That's disgusting!
So here you have 2 newspapers covering the same story but spinning it to two completely different directions!
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Post by Burbage » 21st Mar, '11, 16:01

You're calling the Guardian a newspaper?

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Post by T2K » 21st Mar, '11, 16:01

Spin, "yellow journalism", "muckraking"...news organizations have always done this, I think?
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Post by cromasaig » 21st Mar, '11, 16:11

Disgraceful. Because any given event has only one possible accurate interpretation.

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Post by slinky » 21st Mar, '11, 16:34

cromasaig wrote:Disgraceful. Because any given event has only one possible accurate interpretation.
Yeah, mine ;)





Edit: But, seriously, unless it's on the Op Ed page, I don't want to hear the writer's opinion or interpretation. Just report the story, thanks.
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Post by Mr Oz » 21st Mar, '11, 17:57

The US newspapers (the LATimes is not the only one) are clearly under-reporting the incident and not informing the read of all the facts. (nowhere does it say the photo was with a civilian they just shot). While the guardian was over dramatising and emotionally loading the story.

Both are wrong but they are clearly editorialising to either downplay or overplay the incident. The actual story is upsetting but editorialising for effect is disgraceful.
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Post by Fat Bob » 21st Mar, '11, 22:00

Oz: what makes you in any better position? Haven't you been overplaying the whole nuclear incident only 2-3 days ago on these very pages?

Stop being hypocritical and learn to accept there's a bunch of people with their own agendas, and in all honesty, there's little you can do to influence most of the things out there. And once you can do that, the beer tases just so much nicer!
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Post by BoD » 21st Mar, '11, 22:05

Don't worry Oz. The truth is out there..
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Post by Lichtgestalt » 21st Mar, '11, 22:12

I thought the fact that newspaper and tv stations have their own agendas has been well-known since Fox news. I watched the nuclear disaster in Japan in Germany quite a bit and found it very different how the state-owned media and the free media reported it

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Post by Morrolan » 21st Mar, '11, 22:55

most of the Ozzie press that we quote on here is owned by Fox too...

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Post by Kooky » 22nd Mar, '11, 04:58

Oz, you forgot to quote the parts of the LA Times that went into more detail of the incident.

Oh hang on, they didn't serve your purpose did they? Silly me.

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Post by Mr Oz » 22nd Mar, '11, 05:08

Fat Bob wrote:Oz: what makes you in any better position? Haven't you been overplaying the whole nuclear incident only 2-3 days ago on these very pages?
Have I? or has the press underplayed it? How do you know for sure? Cause the "telegraph" tells you so?
I see now nuclear radiation has entered the food supply. Now they admit there was a partial meltdown at the reactor and the radiation leaking is high enough to kill people. Yes this rather long article is spun.
Officials said the rating was raised after they realised the full extent of the radiation leaking from the plant. They also said that 3 per cent of the fuel in three of the reactors at the Fukushima plant had been severely damaged, suggesting those reactor cores have partially melted down.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eople.html''

So over the coming weeks,months, years more stories will come out (spun one way or the other) and the "Real" truth will eventually be known.

This is the whole point. The actual news is completely irrelevent, how it is presented or "how it makes you react or not react" is what is important to the media.
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Post by Mr Oz » 22nd Mar, '11, 05:19

Kooky wrote:Oz, you forgot to quote the parts of the LA Times that went into more detail of the incident.
I think you missed the point. Where in the LATimes article are the words "civilians they just shot" while the Guardian goes on to over play those words and adds words like "trophy" and "defenseless". That is the point I'm trying to make.
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Post by Fat Bob » 22nd Mar, '11, 08:01

I think we've all missed the point. You're a nutter and there's no reasoning with you.
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Post by baloo » 22nd Mar, '11, 08:12

Morrolan wrote:most of the Ozzie press that we quote on here is owned by Fox too...
Not me. Its rare for me to read a News Corp paper online. Fairfax is a tad more balanced.
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Post by Morrolan » 22nd Mar, '11, 09:14

baloo wrote:
Morrolan wrote:most of the Ozzie press that we quote on here is owned by Fox too...
Not me. Its rare for me to read a News Corp paper online. Fairfax is a tad more balanced.
yes, though their online papers are badly set up.

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Post by Mr Oz » 22nd Mar, '11, 12:52

Actually you think some of my theories are crackpot the australian news limited papers are hillarious. Try this one.
GRAVE fears were last night being held for the Darwin's talking cat, Mischief, amid fears it had been abducted by aliens.
It came after Siberian air traffic controllers claim that a female-sounding alien spoke to them in a cat-like language.
They say that a mysterious object - which they believe was a high-speed UFO - appeared on flight monitors over the remote Russian city of Yakutsk, the Daily Mail reported. Darwin locals last night expressed concern the air traffic controller may have mistaken the voice for that of Mischief, the Territory's talking cat.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertain ... 6015957640
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Post by Morrolan » 22nd Mar, '11, 13:48

shoot me now... [smilie=wtf.gif]

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Post by baloo » 22nd Mar, '11, 14:08

Morrolan wrote:shoot me now... [smilie=wtf.gif]
Only if we can pose with your body afterwards.
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Post by Morrolan » 23rd Mar, '11, 08:19

baloo wrote:
Morrolan wrote:shoot me now... [smilie=wtf.gif]
Only if we can pose with your body afterwards.
:lol:

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Post by Possum » 23rd Mar, '11, 17:43

There is no such thing as universal truth, weather with intend or not.
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